GREAT LINK! I hadn’t heard about this guy but to score 37 out of 40 must be the PCL-R. The scan they did on his brain is also interesting. To say that he cannot control himself though is absolutely in my mind ridiculous!

Someone posting under the handle “lovefraud” (Donna?) made the first post and that was a good one on the comments, couple of guys got into an argument about the death penalty, but obviously the guy doesn’t want to die, as he is fighting the death penalty. I bet you can figure out my idea on pro or con dealth penalty, but at the same time, I know that innocent people have been sent to death row and then years even decades later exonerated by DNA evidence.

I’m not sure what the evidence against this guy was/is as I am not familiar with the case except this one link, but to use psychopathy as a excuse for any crime is as bad I think as the “twinkie” defense, where the guy said eating too many chemicals in too many twinkies was responsible for his criminal behavior.

In certain cases I would be in favor of public hanging, drawinig and quartering. Most of the people for which I would “vote” for that death penalty there is NO doubt that they are guilty. John Wayne Gacy for example.

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Experts know 1 in 200 people are as pschopathic as a crazed murderer?

Maybe it’s sane to be a bit wary folks!

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Good points Audrey, but it isn’t about “labels” as much as behavior, when we speak of someone as a “psychopath” (ASPD or Sociopath) we are saying, in effect, “S/he displayed these traits.” We are NOT making a legal “diagnosis” of this person, but an OBSERVATION of behavior.

None of us can read minds, but we do OBSERVE BEHAVIOR. and, like others have said, “if it looks like a duck….etc” but the BOTTOM LINE is that we recognize ANY manipulative or TOXIC person so we will not be caught in their webs.

Welcome, glad you are here! glad also that you did not get badly hurt over your encounter!

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Watching the older nun deal with the priest was amazing. She never had any DOUBT, and she expressed that it was because of EXPERIENCE. But the whole movie wasn’t about her relationship with the priest, it was also about how she treated all the children in the school. She was very strict. She allowed no nonsense because her experience had taught her that each time a child gets away with a little mischief, he becomes more mischievious. Making them think that they can NEVER get away with crap when they are very young, keeps them from going down the wrong road later in life. She was not a psychotherapist or a behavior therapist or even an animal trainer, but EXPERIENCE had taught her all she needed to know about the minds of children.

And she COULD see a narcissist coming a mile away.

It is such an interesting movie, I hope you all get a chance to rent it and watch it.

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I’m glad you’re here, and I’m glad you shared your concerns. I hope we’ll hear from you again.

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It’s like saying I’m not a smoker because you don’t ever see me smoke……
Or I am not a criminal because I didn’t get caught/convicted….
Are you defined as a criminal, NO! Are you not a criminal? Yes….it’s teh behaviors that make you a criminal….not the conviction.
My ex said he wasn’t a drug dealer, he was never convicted……I saw it, the kids saw it…….He WILL NEVER convince us as others who didn’t witness it, that he is not a drug dealer…..I never refer to him as a convicted drug dealer…..but he is still a drug dealer!
I will always err on the side of caution and call a spade a spade…..
I WAS MARRIED TO AN UNDIAGNOSED MALIGNANT NARCISSISTIC DRUG DEALING SOCIOPATH!

I don’t recommend we go out and start yelling sociopath on the street…..but i do think the awareness to society is imperative to curbing the behaviors……again a crack they nestle into….no one knows……people are not aware and continue to make excuses for the odd, cumulitive behaviors….

I think it boils down to protection and self preservation, becasue I don’t believe any one of the LF members have it in them to walk blindly into the arms of another sociopath or whatever you wish to call them.

We are here to support each other through the healing process, regaining life……life consists of work, child rearing, self esteem, education, divorces, dating, home purchases, losses, illnesses, advocating, custody, lonliness, news, awareness…….whatever our members are going through and how our feelings in regards to the topic du jour have been affected moving forward and how they affect each of us reading the posts…….
It’s all about the healing……and I think we are in a very effective healing and awareness site.
I’m glad you got away from bigger troubles and ‘got it’ quick.
Your a very lucky person and I hope you take your new education and awareness in to a lifetime of wonderful relationshiops.
Thanks for your contribution.
XXOO
EB

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It is really simple, some people are chit! you can take the white trash out of the getto but you cant take the getto outa the white trash! Most people are trash!

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The fact is this personality disorder falls on a spectrum from mild to severe. The reason for this is that we are all born narcissists. The degree to which we grow away from the narcissistic thinking and behavior is what defines HOW MUCH OF A NARCISSIST WE REMAIN. And then you have also heard us mention “our inner P”. We all have the capability to harden our hearts to empathy (some more than others) while we deal with the real world of cutthrout narcissists. Stress, anger and just being tired increases the “baby behavior” in anyone.

For those of us who have lived with a P for many years and then also studied the books, our antenae are more finally tuned to a P than someone who might have encountered a P for a shorter time.

But the fact is, no one can ever know what another person is actually thinking, so based on that we can’t call anyone a narcissist because we don’t know that they have chosen to be evil. So all we can do is make a judgement call based on the selfishness of the behavior, the damage to others, and the callousness with which all pleas for mercy are recieved.

I feel that you are basing your numbers on a very old and inaccurate measurement. I think that there are more than 1%.

If you want to learn about narcissism in our culture, you can read books such as : http://www.reviews.ctpdc.co.uk/lasch.html

It is a wakeup call to the spiral of our society into the depths of narcissism. That doesn’t happen when only 1% are narcissists.

Here at LF, we are not actually trying to wake up the world, we are just trying to wake up the people who are in dangerously abusive relationships so that they will survive. Being far away, we must err on the side of caution when we advise someone to beware and be safe. Also, we are here to provide nurture and support for people in a very emotionally vulnerable situation.

After the person is safe then we advise learning, reading, investigating on their own. So that they can make their own judgements, just as you have.

I just posted elsewhere that I would love to have a non-profit that dedicates itself to educating people about every aspect of the dangers of narcissism. If we ever did that we would really need someone like you: objective, cautious and analytical.

Another wonderful woman who writes about narcissism is “Anna”. I could not do justice to her wonderful post about discerning a jerk from a narcissist, so i will just link her here.
http://narcissists-suck.blogsp.....rview.html
What she says is that the difference is between people who struggle with selfish impulses and those who EMBRACE them.
After being with a narcissist, you can tell who is embracing and who is not.

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