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		<title>By: justabouthealed</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 00:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicolaid_ If you are interested in high achieving psychopaths and what attracts people to them, why they &quot;turn a blind eye&quot;. a great book is Freeing Yourself from the Naricissist in Your Life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicolaid_ If you are interested in high achieving psychopaths and what attracts people to them, why they &#8220;turn a blind eye&#8221;. a great book is Freeing Yourself from the Naricissist in Your Life.
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		<title>By: Nicolaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicolaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t had the time to peruse the entire blog yet but I will. I didn&#039;t mean to offend anyone and I apologize if I did.

This story (Sandra Boss&#039;s) has similarities with Enid Green Waldholtz&#039;s and her sociopathic husband Joseph Waldholtz.

He pretended to be a multimillionaire akin to the Mellons and had a lavish lifestyle, until it turned out he conned everyone, fleecing his own grandmother and mother, and his stepfather.

She was an intelligent and educated woman though, being a lawyer and a promising politician. She was elected to the congress in 1995 thanks to the many cons of her husband who was her campaign manager.

When people came to report oddities to her, she turned a blind eye. They had a baby girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t had the time to peruse the entire blog yet but I will. I didn&#8217;t mean to offend anyone and I apologize if I did.</p>
<p>This story (Sandra Boss&#8217;s) has similarities with Enid Green Waldholtz&#8217;s and her sociopathic husband Joseph Waldholtz.</p>
<p>He pretended to be a multimillionaire akin to the Mellons and had a lavish lifestyle, until it turned out he conned everyone, fleecing his own grandmother and mother, and his stepfather.</p>
<p>She was an intelligent and educated woman though, being a lawyer and a promising politician. She was elected to the congress in 1995 thanks to the many cons of her husband who was her campaign manager.</p>
<p>When people came to report oddities to her, she turned a blind eye. They had a baby girl.
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		<title>By: healing the heart</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You all for missing me ! 
 I have been healing by taking care of myself... working out, swimming and just hanging out with girlfriends..! I know my s  is the lie.... and will always be the lie... just coming to terms with that... letting go of the anger... and the shame.... that comes with letting go of the dreams... he created..in my heart.... the complete acceptance.
 I am so happy for finding all of you.. its here that I let it all out... and with my friends... I say nothing.
I have learned to not give him any more of my energy, and allow him to ruin my friendships... as I learned.. people say things that trigger me all over again.... because no one really know.. the love / hate that we suffer from.. but us who has experienced it....
thank you all... and I will always be here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You all for missing me !<br />
 I have been healing by taking care of myself&#8230; working out, swimming and just hanging out with girlfriends..! I know my s  is the lie&#8230;. and will always be the lie&#8230; just coming to terms with that&#8230; letting go of the anger&#8230; and the shame&#8230;. that comes with letting go of the dreams&#8230; he created..in my heart&#8230;. the complete acceptance.<br />
 I am so happy for finding all of you.. its here that I let it all out&#8230; and with my friends&#8230; I say nothing.<br />
I have learned to not give him any more of my energy, and allow him to ruin my friendships&#8230; as I learned.. people say things that trigger me all over again&#8230;. because no one really know.. the love / hate that we suffer from.. but us who has experienced it&#8230;.<br />
thank you all&#8230; and I will always be here.
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		<title>By: shabbychic</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 04:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been thinking about some other bloggers I haven&#039;t seen in a while and I am wondering how they are doing... kindheart &amp; akitameg... and others who were giving so much good advice... Rune, Wini, Stargazer... I miss them. I know Aloha Traveler posts once in a while and I look for those. Anyway, just wanted you ALL to know you are important you are to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been thinking about some other bloggers I haven&#8217;t seen in a while and I am wondering how they are doing&#8230; kindheart &amp; akitameg&#8230; and others who were giving so much good advice&#8230; Rune, Wini, Stargazer&#8230; I miss them. I know Aloha Traveler posts once in a while and I look for those. Anyway, just wanted you ALL to know you are important you are to me.
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		<title>By: justabouthealed</title>
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		<dc:creator>justabouthealed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. I actually have drifted but keep coming back. Agree about the money. The richest person is the one who gives the most, not the one who has the most. YOU ARE LOADED! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. I actually have drifted but keep coming back. Agree about the money. The richest person is the one who gives the most, not the one who has the most. YOU ARE LOADED! <img src='http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: OxDrover</title>
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		<dc:creator>OxDrover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear JAH,

I have not seen healingheart in quite some time. During the about 2 years I have been here though, I have seen hundreds of posters come and go. There are very few of the same posters here that were here when I first came here. We have quite a few that have been here 1+ years though, and there are those that have &quot;left&#039; that come back and check in once in a while or read here, but don&#039;t post much.

Life goes on---because I am retired I most likely have more disposable &quot;time&quot; and check in several times most days between &quot;projects.&quot; Since I don&#039;t watch much TV, I spend time in the evenings on LF some evenings.

There are many people who think/thought that money was the &quot;salvation&quot; of their happiness---and like you, I&#039;ve been around some really really super rich (and/or famous) folks and you know, money doesn&#039;t make them happy.

Look at many of the media stars who have had tremendous &quot;success&quot; and &quot;money&quot; and they ended up dead of an OD---Michael Jackson can&#039;t be said to have led a &quot;happy&quot; life, and all the &quot;stuff&quot; and &quot;fame&quot; in the world didn&#039;t seem to make him happy, ditto Anna Nichole Smith, Nichole Brown Simpson, OJ, and the list is endless....my observation about people who inherited money being more happy than those that tried to make it depends on a lot of variables.

What a person IS rather than what they HAVE is what makes people happy or not. Yet, so many people seem to think that money will &#039;buy&quot; happiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear JAH,</p>
<p>I have not seen healingheart in quite some time. During the about 2 years I have been here though, I have seen hundreds of posters come and go. There are very few of the same posters here that were here when I first came here. We have quite a few that have been here 1+ years though, and there are those that have &#8220;left&#8217; that come back and check in once in a while or read here, but don&#8217;t post much.</p>
<p>Life goes on&#8212;because I am retired I most likely have more disposable &#8220;time&#8221; and check in several times most days between &#8220;projects.&#8221; Since I don&#8217;t watch much TV, I spend time in the evenings on LF some evenings.</p>
<p>There are many people who think/thought that money was the &#8220;salvation&#8221; of their happiness&#8212;and like you, I&#8217;ve been around some really really super rich (and/or famous) folks and you know, money doesn&#8217;t make them happy.</p>
<p>Look at many of the media stars who have had tremendous &#8220;success&#8221; and &#8220;money&#8221; and they ended up dead of an OD&#8212;Michael Jackson can&#8217;t be said to have led a &#8220;happy&#8221; life, and all the &#8220;stuff&#8221; and &#8220;fame&#8221; in the world didn&#8217;t seem to make him happy, ditto Anna Nichole Smith, Nichole Brown Simpson, OJ, and the list is endless&#8230;.my observation about people who inherited money being more happy than those that tried to make it depends on a lot of variables.</p>
<p>What a person IS rather than what they HAVE is what makes people happy or not. Yet, so many people seem to think that money will &#8216;buy&#8221; happiness.
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		<title>By: justabouthealed</title>
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		<dc:creator>justabouthealed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just had one more thought about the book &quot;Are you being hurt by the one you love? Freeing yourself from the Narcissist in your life&quot;.....If narcissists and psychopaths COULD heal, this is the book for them. For they are truly being hurt by the one they love (THEMSELVES)....and the only path to happiness for them, away from all the envy, the emptiness, the depression...would be if they COULD free themself from the narcissist in their life...THEM.

It also shows what a pretty much hopeless task it is.

My husband once said &quot;If I had a million dollars, then I would be happy&quot;. I said no, because everywhere you go, there you are.

That is a famous quote from some place, not sure where! but it is really true. I mix with millionaires and even quite a few billionaires (despite how few there are in the world) because of the work I do, and it is absolutely true. They are as happy or sad as they are, due more to how they react to a bird singing than how they react to the $$. 

those who inherited great wealth are almost always more happy than those who sought to become wealthy. One is focused on the wrong gods in life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just had one more thought about the book &#8220;Are you being hurt by the one you love? Freeing yourself from the Narcissist in your life&#8221;&#8230;..If narcissists and psychopaths COULD heal, this is the book for them. For they are truly being hurt by the one they love (THEMSELVES)&#8230;.and the only path to happiness for them, away from all the envy, the emptiness, the depression&#8230;would be if they COULD free themself from the narcissist in their life&#8230;THEM.</p>
<p>It also shows what a pretty much hopeless task it is.</p>
<p>My husband once said &#8220;If I had a million dollars, then I would be happy&#8221;. I said no, because everywhere you go, there you are.</p>
<p>That is a famous quote from some place, not sure where! but it is really true. I mix with millionaires and even quite a few billionaires (despite how few there are in the world) because of the work I do, and it is absolutely true. They are as happy or sad as they are, due more to how they react to a bird singing than how they react to the $$. </p>
<p>those who inherited great wealth are almost always more happy than those who sought to become wealthy. One is focused on the wrong gods in life.
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		<title>By: justabouthealed</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oxy, you are on here a lot. Is HealingHearts even on here anymore? I really liked her posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oxy, you are on here a lot. Is HealingHearts even on here anymore? I really liked her posts.
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		<title>By: justabouthealed</title>
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		<dc:creator>justabouthealed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P&#039;s are sexy?  I guess almost all P&#039;s think so! LOL! You can bank on that! Part of their disordered brains.

At some point, as Keith Campbell says in his book, you just lose your appetite for them. We live in a narcissistic society, now. People are busy managing their images, on facebook etc. But even there, the true narcs can&#039;t help themselves. Keith Campbell did a study about what their fb pages have in common. 

I think I&#039;m going to write the first joke book about psychopaths. I&#039;m serious! There is a lot about them that is very funny, like the youtube video on John Edwards primping! Pimping? Darn, it is rough being dsylexic. hahaha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P&#8217;s are sexy?  I guess almost all P&#8217;s think so! LOL! You can bank on that! Part of their disordered brains.</p>
<p>At some point, as Keith Campbell says in his book, you just lose your appetite for them. We live in a narcissistic society, now. People are busy managing their images, on facebook etc. But even there, the true narcs can&#8217;t help themselves. Keith Campbell did a study about what their fb pages have in common. </p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m going to write the first joke book about psychopaths. I&#8217;m serious! There is a lot about them that is very funny, like the youtube video on John Edwards primping! Pimping? Darn, it is rough being dsylexic. hahaha.
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		<title>By: OxDrover</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 21:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Nicolaid,

I suggest that you go to the link here of &quot;true lovefraud stories&quot; and to the other articles with information about how the &quot;bonding&quot; works with them, how they sucker in people, and keep those people hooked even after betraying them.

Many people know the &quot;truth&quot; about a psychopath like Rocancourt, but the psychopaths are good at &quot;explaining&quot; away those truths and covering it up with a mask. Many people just &quot;can&#039;t believe&quot; someone is that EVIL....denial is a &quot;protective&quot; emotion to help us in some cases endure what is unendurable, but on a long-term basis, it is destructive to us. It allows the psychopaths to continue their abuses.

I am the daughter of a psychopath, (but not a psychopath)and also the mother of one, and believe me if I had known the genetic risk in having children, I would have elected not to have children. One of my sons (the non-psychopathic one) has elected not to have biological children due to the many psychopaths on both sides of his family, though neither his father nor I are psychopaths, appaently the genetics are there to pass on. I support him in this decision. My P-son is in prison so has no offspring at this time, though I am sure if he ever gets out he will make every effort to spread his genetics far and wide.

While more women are on this blog than men, there is a cross section of people, ages, genders, sexual orientations, and the experiences are different, people with children, parents, loveers, husbands/wives, neighbors, bosses, etc. so everyone here for the most part is a past victim, and in the recovery stage. Some people were conned for decades, others caught on in a few weeks or months, but no one here is denigrated because they didn&#039;t &quot;catch on&quot; QUICKLY.

We exercise compassion for those who were &quot;conned&quot; because we have been &quot;conned&quot; as well...we know what it feels like and can therefore validate that these men and women were not stupid or greedy and did not knowingly decide to have a child with the psychopath. In fact, some of the psychopaths that they were involved with had NO status except as a financial parasite. We are in all different stages of &quot;recovery&quot; and &quot;healing&quot; but we are all compassionate to others (whatever their stages of healing) because we have BEEN THERE.

I hope you will hang around, read and learn about psychopaths and the whys and wherefores of how people get conned and why they stay for &quot;so long&quot; in pain, agony and confusion, before getting out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Nicolaid,</p>
<p>I suggest that you go to the link here of &#8220;true lovefraud stories&#8221; and to the other articles with information about how the &#8220;bonding&#8221; works with them, how they sucker in people, and keep those people hooked even after betraying them.</p>
<p>Many people know the &#8220;truth&#8221; about a psychopath like Rocancourt, but the psychopaths are good at &#8220;explaining&#8221; away those truths and covering it up with a mask. Many people just &#8220;can&#8217;t believe&#8221; someone is that EVIL&#8230;.denial is a &#8220;protective&#8221; emotion to help us in some cases endure what is unendurable, but on a long-term basis, it is destructive to us. It allows the psychopaths to continue their abuses.</p>
<p>I am the daughter of a psychopath, (but not a psychopath)and also the mother of one, and believe me if I had known the genetic risk in having children, I would have elected not to have children. One of my sons (the non-psychopathic one) has elected not to have biological children due to the many psychopaths on both sides of his family, though neither his father nor I are psychopaths, appaently the genetics are there to pass on. I support him in this decision. My P-son is in prison so has no offspring at this time, though I am sure if he ever gets out he will make every effort to spread his genetics far and wide.</p>
<p>While more women are on this blog than men, there is a cross section of people, ages, genders, sexual orientations, and the experiences are different, people with children, parents, loveers, husbands/wives, neighbors, bosses, etc. so everyone here for the most part is a past victim, and in the recovery stage. Some people were conned for decades, others caught on in a few weeks or months, but no one here is denigrated because they didn&#8217;t &#8220;catch on&#8221; QUICKLY.</p>
<p>We exercise compassion for those who were &#8220;conned&#8221; because we have been &#8220;conned&#8221; as well&#8230;we know what it feels like and can therefore validate that these men and women were not stupid or greedy and did not knowingly decide to have a child with the psychopath. In fact, some of the psychopaths that they were involved with had NO status except as a financial parasite. We are in all different stages of &#8220;recovery&#8221; and &#8220;healing&#8221; but we are all compassionate to others (whatever their stages of healing) because we have BEEN THERE.</p>
<p>I hope you will hang around, read and learn about psychopaths and the whys and wherefores of how people get conned and why they stay for &#8220;so long&#8221; in pain, agony and confusion, before getting out.
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