Comments on: Psychopathy, empathy and moral agency: Lessons from autism http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/ Wake up to the danger of sociopaths Wed, 08 Feb 2012 07:17:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: callmeathena http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/comment-page-5/#comment-145340 callmeathena Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:00:06 +0000 http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/#comment-145340 I am adding Brazil to my netflix queue now. I am adding Brazil to my netflix queue now.

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]]> By: callmeathena http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/comment-page-5/#comment-145338 callmeathena Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:57:24 +0000 http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/#comment-145338 Wow. Wow.

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]]> By: skylar http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/comment-page-5/#comment-145336 skylar Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:39:41 +0000 http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/#comment-145336 Athena, Another VERY interesting comment was from Mordant Carnival, the engineer. His comment brought much agreement from the other posters, but if anyone had BOTHERED to google his name, you would have found a website filled with things he hates. hate hate hate. <blockquote> Mordant Carnival Occupation: The eternal Hate of You. Location: Barcelona : Spain About Me I hate you. If your whole body were a hot air balloon, would you stop eating spicy food? If I rip out your septum, will you stop asking me stupid questions? Interests Hate hate hate hate hate hate hate armadillos. Favorite Movies Brazil. Favorite Music The sound of your pain. Favorite Books Monkey. </blockquote> Much like Eric Harris, the columbine shooter. Spaths are everywhere, but there is no need to be paranoid. Trust but verify. Athena,
Another VERY interesting comment was from Mordant Carnival, the engineer.

His comment brought much agreement from the other posters, but if anyone had BOTHERED to google his name, you would have found a website filled with things he hates. hate hate hate.

Mordant Carnival

Occupation: The eternal Hate of You.
Location: Barcelona : Spain

About Me

I hate you.
If your whole body were a hot air balloon, would you stop eating spicy food?

If I rip out your septum, will you stop asking me stupid questions?
Interests

Hate
hate
hate
hate
hate
hate
hate
armadillos.

Favorite Movies

Brazil.

Favorite Music

The sound of your pain.

Favorite Books

Monkey.

Much like Eric Harris, the columbine shooter.

Spaths are everywhere, but there is no need to be paranoid.

Trust but verify.

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]]> By: callmeathena http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/comment-page-4/#comment-145335 callmeathena Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:29:37 +0000 http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/#comment-145335 Sky, thanks for reposting it, there is so much great stuff in here. Sky, thanks for reposting it, there is so much great stuff in here.

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]]> By: skylar http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/comment-page-4/#comment-145334 skylar Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:27:03 +0000 http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/#comment-145334 This is the article that Athena made reference to, with Kathleen's insightful response, on the first page. I've not read the all the posts yet, but I found so much food for thought here, that I thought it'd be worth revisting. BloggerT's link to the Columbine shooters was extremely good. They are a classic case, IMO of a schizoid and a spath. They seem similar, except one wears a mask and the other doesn't, so he seems weirder. Asperger's and Schizoids are considered to be similar except that one chooses to isolate himself and the other does it because he can't help it. This may not be politically correct to say, but I don't think Asperger's precludes spathiness. I think all it takes for a person to be a spath is envy and a mask. This is the article that Athena made reference to, with Kathleen’s insightful response, on the first page.

I’ve not read the all the posts yet, but I found so much food for thought here, that I thought it’d be worth revisting. BloggerT’s link to the Columbine shooters was extremely good. They are a classic case, IMO of a schizoid and a spath. They seem similar, except one wears a mask and the other doesn’t, so he seems weirder.

Asperger’s and Schizoids are considered to be similar except that one chooses to isolate himself and the other does it because he can’t help it.

This may not be politically correct to say, but I don’t think Asperger’s precludes spathiness.

I think all it takes for a person to be a spath is envy and a mask.

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]]> By: OxDrover http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/comment-page-4/#comment-57382 OxDrover Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:20:42 +0000 http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/#comment-57382 Dear Sweetcynic, I don't know if you are aware of the work that Dr. Temple Grandin has done. She is autistic, but she has revolutionized the cattle handling industry with her designs for handling cattle under lower stress and increased safety for both the cattle and the handlers. I have a chute which she designed, and she actually found that the "squeezing"motion which calms the cattle (it is a natural reaction to being held very firmly that calms the animal) also helps calm her. She built a padded apparatus that she can climb into (she controls it) and it squeezes her and calms her. She even used her knowledge to hellp herself, and her own knowledge to hellp the animals. She is well respected in the industry as THE expert in handling cattle. She can literally THINK like the cattle she says. And obviously she is right. So sometimes a "disability" can really be an ABILITY that others don't have as it is a different perspective. I realize that there are different levels of autism but I think that sometimes we can make our "handicaps" into benefits! Dear Sweetcynic,

I don’t know if you are aware of the work that Dr. Temple Grandin has done. She is autistic, but she has revolutionized the cattle handling industry with her designs for handling cattle under lower stress and increased safety for both the cattle and the handlers. I have a chute which she designed, and she actually found that the “squeezing”motion which calms the cattle (it is a natural reaction to being held very firmly that calms the animal) also helps calm her. She built a padded apparatus that she can climb into (she controls it) and it squeezes her and calms her. She even used her knowledge to hellp herself, and her own knowledge to hellp the animals.

She is well respected in the industry as THE expert in handling cattle. She can literally THINK like the cattle she says. And obviously she is right. So sometimes a “disability” can really be an ABILITY that others don’t have as it is a different perspective.

I realize that there are different levels of autism but I think that sometimes we can make our “handicaps” into benefits!

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]]> By: sweetcynic http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/comment-page-4/#comment-57376 sweetcynic Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:01:05 +0000 http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/#comment-57376 Thanks Oxdrover. No, my mom did not get hooked by another S. I actually did much better in jr high and high school once I was away from him, had a more sane mother, and had a fresh start at a new school. We even moved to a new city within a year after she dumped him. Thanks Oxdrover. No, my mom did not get hooked by another S. I actually did much better in jr high and high school once I was away from him, had a more sane mother, and had a fresh start at a new school. We even moved to a new city within a year after she dumped him.

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]]> By: one_step_at_a_time http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/comment-page-4/#comment-57373 one_step_at_a_time Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:14:53 +0000 http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/#comment-57373 Easy, thanks for posting this. I am usually very careful about vaccines, but I was quite concerned about h1n1, and got the shot. thimerosal is the perservative in the h1n1 vacination. ergggh - nothing like a bit more neurotoxin! Easy, thanks for posting this.

I am usually very careful about vaccines, but I was quite concerned about h1n1, and got the shot.

thimerosal is the perservative in the h1n1 vacination. ergggh – nothing like a bit more neurotoxin!

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]]> By: OxDrover http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/comment-page-4/#comment-57363 OxDrover Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:48:19 +0000 http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/#comment-57363 Dear Sweetcynic, Welcome to LF, and thank you for sharing what must be painful memories with us. The thing about relationships I ithink is that it starts off learning about them, but ends up a personal healing journey within ourselves to heal from the things that made us vulnerable. Of course you were a child and had no choice about this person being in your life. I am glad your mother finally tossed him and I hope that she did not get hooked by another S. Good luck as you search for healing in your life, peace and joy. God bless. Dear Sweetcynic,

Welcome to LF, and thank you for sharing what must be painful memories with us.

The thing about relationships I ithink is that it starts off learning about them, but ends up a personal healing journey within ourselves to heal from the things that made us vulnerable. Of course you were a child and had no choice about this person being in your life. I am glad your mother finally tossed him and I hope that she did not get hooked by another S.

Good luck as you search for healing in your life, peace and joy. God bless.

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]]> By: sweetcynic http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/comment-page-4/#comment-57359 sweetcynic Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:16:41 +0000 http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2009/03/06/psychopathy-empathy-and-moral-agencylessons-from-autism/#comment-57359 I have to agree with the engineer above, as someone who has been dxd with autism. Autistic people care about others' feelings, but have difficulty perceiving them while sociopaths are very perceptive of others' feelings but don't care about them. Brain scans of autistic children have shown that while they tend to be unresponsive to the facial expressions of strangers, they are very responsive to the facial expressions of their parents. Asperger's is actually a lot more like the social deficits often associated with learning disabilities than sociopathy. Thus Aspies and people with LDs may stand too close to people and perseverate about the same thing over and over again but, unlike sociopaths, they generally don't harbor malicious intent, at least not any more than "normal" people. As a sidenote, my mom dated a P for 3 years when I was 10-12. He did some pretty horrible things, most of which I won't go into here. Interestingly, he probably didn't know that I cared about others' feelings(which is just as well), because he sought pity from my mom and brother for his fake terminal illnesses, but never from me. In a way, I saw through him a little faster than my mom because I realized that some of his claims made no logical sense(how can he hit mom hard enough to get her to call the police and then lie about it if he's dying of Lou Gehrig's disease? Why do all of these famous people need him to be their ghostwriter?)but at the same time I wasn't mature enough to realize that this wasn't normal adult behavior. At that time, I started cutting myself and lying more, especially to him and my mom, and just generally caring less about myself and other people as a defense mechanism(a few more years with him and I might have either turned into an S or killed myself - the worst part is that he did temporarily convince me to tell him and trust him more than I told/trusted my own parents, even as he would lie about me to my mom to try to turn her against me). But, as I didn't start doing that until they got together and stopped cutting/lying/etc. within 6 months after she dumped him, I think it was environmental rather than me being a sociopath. I have to agree with the engineer above, as someone who has been dxd with autism. Autistic people care about others’ feelings, but have difficulty perceiving them while sociopaths are very perceptive of others’ feelings but don’t care about them. Brain scans of autistic children have shown that while they tend to be unresponsive to the facial expressions of strangers, they are very responsive to the facial expressions of their parents. Asperger’s is actually a lot more like the social deficits often associated with learning disabilities than sociopathy. Thus Aspies and people with LDs may stand too close to people and perseverate about the same thing over and over again but, unlike sociopaths, they generally don’t harbor malicious intent, at least not any more than “normal” people.

As a sidenote, my mom dated a P for 3 years when I was 10-12. He did some pretty horrible things, most of which I won’t go into here. Interestingly, he probably didn’t know that I cared about others’ feelings(which is just as well), because he sought pity from my mom and brother for his fake terminal illnesses, but never from me. In a way, I saw through him a little faster than my mom because I realized that some of his claims made no logical sense(how can he hit mom hard enough to get her to call the police and then lie about it if he’s dying of Lou Gehrig’s disease? Why do all of these famous people need him to be their ghostwriter?)but at the same time I wasn’t mature enough to realize that this wasn’t normal adult behavior. At that time, I started cutting myself and lying more, especially to him and my mom, and just generally caring less about myself and other people as a defense mechanism(a few more years with him and I might have either turned into an S or killed myself – the worst part is that he did temporarily convince me to tell him and trust him more than I told/trusted my own parents, even as he would lie about me to my mom to try to turn her against me). But, as I didn’t start doing that until they got together and stopped cutting/lying/etc. within 6 months after she dumped him, I think it was environmental rather than me being a sociopath.

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