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		<title>By: ErinBrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>ErinBrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehadme:
I don&#039;t know anything about the service you mention above.
BUT....I do know that google does collect an immense amount of data on thier users.
I would only caution with that.
I think...knowing google, it may be a way to develop a database of cell phone numbers, which currently doesn&#039;t exist.

Just remember....NOTHING ever comes for free.
So make sure the back end &#039;cost&#039; doesn&#039;t outweigh the benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehadme:<br />
I don&#8217;t know anything about the service you mention above.<br />
BUT&#8230;.I do know that google does collect an immense amount of data on thier users.<br />
I would only caution with that.<br />
I think&#8230;knowing google, it may be a way to develop a database of cell phone numbers, which currently doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>Just remember&#8230;.NOTHING ever comes for free.<br />
So make sure the back end &#8216;cost&#8217; doesn&#8217;t outweigh the benefit.
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		<title>By: hehadme39</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you who can&#039;t afford to pay for a service like this check out Google voice. I recently expreinced the devistation of a psychopath and started using the service. I can archive any voice msg, log missed calls, archive txts too. everything is date and time stamped as well. Just helpful info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who can&#8217;t afford to pay for a service like this check out Google voice. I recently expreinced the devistation of a psychopath and started using the service. I can archive any voice msg, log missed calls, archive txts too. everything is date and time stamped as well. Just helpful info.
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		<title>By: OxDrover</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EB, I wanna be like you when I grow up!!!!!! ((((hugs)))))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EB, I wanna be like you when I grow up!!!!!! ((((hugs)))))
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		<title>By: ErinBrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>ErinBrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also.....you know when we get those &#039;great&#039; evites?
Well.....DO NOT ENTER A PROFILE there either!!!
NO ONLINE PROFILES!!!!!

Once a profile is entered.....any party / event your invited to will be broadcast across the web....on other social sites you may belong to also.....
Spaths LOVE to make profiles.....nice high falutant ones....showing off, bragging blah blah......they want everyone to know who/what/when they are.....
and it bites em in the ars!!!

It is nice to use those ones in court when needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also&#8230;..you know when we get those &#8216;great&#8217; evites?<br />
Well&#8230;..DO NOT ENTER A PROFILE there either!!!<br />
NO ONLINE PROFILES!!!!!</p>
<p>Once a profile is entered&#8230;..any party / event your invited to will be broadcast across the web&#8230;.on other social sites you may belong to also&#8230;..<br />
Spaths LOVE to make profiles&#8230;..nice high falutant ones&#8230;.showing off, bragging blah blah&#8230;&#8230;they want everyone to know who/what/when they are&#8230;..<br />
and it bites em in the ars!!!</p>
<p>It is nice to use those ones in court when needed.
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		<title>By: OxDrover</title>
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		<dc:creator>OxDrover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EB, great old thread! Good job bringing it back up. Lots of old friends from LF--wonder how they are now! Good advice too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EB, great old thread! Good job bringing it back up. Lots of old friends from LF&#8211;wonder how they are now! Good advice too.
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		<title>By: ErinBrock</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought I&#039;d post this link on how divorce attornies use FB and other online info against someone in court.

http://www.rgj.com/article/20100629/BIZ/100629018

All of these sites have helped me gather and use info against all 3 of the spaths i&#039;ve encountered in court.  (One romantic, two business)

This info is REAL easy to gain access to .......all you need is the internet!
The more tenacity you have, the more info you can find.....take the time, if it&#039;s important to you!
It can show character and activities a judge will certainly listen to.
It will most certainly contradict what spath is portraying in court.....and they wrote it themselves!!!  :)  CLASSIC!

We must be careful &#039;how&#039; it is presented.....and what parts we use.  
We can&#039;t use it as jelous jabs....only factual on behaviors on issues we are trying to prove.

Good luck to those divorcing or in a legal battle with a spath....there ARE things out there (that spaths put out there themselves) that we can utelize to &#039;bury&#039; them in court!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought I&#8217;d post this link on how divorce attornies use FB and other online info against someone in court.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rgj.com/article/20100629/BIZ/100629018" rel="nofollow">http://www.rgj.com/article/20100629/BIZ/100629018</a></p>
<p>All of these sites have helped me gather and use info against all 3 of the spaths i&#8217;ve encountered in court.  (One romantic, two business)</p>
<p>This info is REAL easy to gain access to &#8230;&#8230;.all you need is the internet!<br />
The more tenacity you have, the more info you can find&#8230;..take the time, if it&#8217;s important to you!<br />
It can show character and activities a judge will certainly listen to.<br />
It will most certainly contradict what spath is portraying in court&#8230;..and they wrote it themselves!!!  <img src='http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   CLASSIC!</p>
<p>We must be careful &#8216;how&#8217; it is presented&#8230;..and what parts we use.<br />
We can&#8217;t use it as jelous jabs&#8230;.only factual on behaviors on issues we are trying to prove.</p>
<p>Good luck to those divorcing or in a legal battle with a spath&#8230;.there ARE things out there (that spaths put out there themselves) that we can utelize to &#8216;bury&#8217; them in court!!!
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		<title>By: kat_o_nine_tales</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Letting go.. what a concept.. why is that such a problem for us.. could it be one of the main reasons we are targeted is that we hang in there with the people we love beyond the point where we should? 

 I know I do.  I get teased at school about the amount of crap I put up with from my ex-husband.. but he&#039;s basically a good man, unlike the other former men in my life.. and our son really depends heavily on both of us.. still I kind of dread how hurt he will be when he finally realizes I am totally over him and really don&#039;t enjoy having any contact with him at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Letting go.. what a concept.. why is that such a problem for us.. could it be one of the main reasons we are targeted is that we hang in there with the people we love beyond the point where we should? </p>
<p> I know I do.  I get teased at school about the amount of crap I put up with from my ex-husband.. but he&#8217;s basically a good man, unlike the other former men in my life.. and our son really depends heavily on both of us.. still I kind of dread how hurt he will be when he finally realizes I am totally over him and really don&#8217;t enjoy having any contact with him at all.
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		<title>By: pearl</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you feel threatened, I suggest you try to get a Temporary Restraining Order (or whatever it&#039;s called in NY).  It shouldn&#039;t be too difficult to get one.  There are usually several different ways to get one--by hiring an attorney, or if there&#039;s a legal service outfit (free or low cost) that&#039;s in your area try it, or get a friend or relative to go with you to the police station and see if they have the forms and will let you complete them yourself.

The Temporary order will only last a couple of weeks or so, until a hearing can be set for the longer-lasting Restraining Order.  (Or maybe he&#039;ll calm down by then and you won&#039;t even need the longer term order.)

Glad to hear you changed phone numbers.  Remember NO CONTACT.  Keep in mind, he doesn&#039;t think like you.  It&#039;s not likely that he really misses you and wants a relationship like &quot;normal&quot; people have.  Normal ment don&#039;t &quot;sound insane&quot; as you said, and don&#039;t cause people to &quot;feel threatened&quot; or give people a &quot;horrible violent feeling&quot; as you posted.  It&#039;s more likely that he has an attachment disorder which led to a personality disorder which YOU CAN&#039;T FIX.  

So, like everyone says, don&#039;t get caught up in his games.  NO CONTACT.

Also, if you&#039;re still at home, ask the police to drive by your house (at the time of day or night you&#039;re most concerned about) and explain why.

We&#039;ve been where you are, yes it&#039;s scary and bizarre, but you can work your way through it.  Be safe and take care of YOU!!! Do what you need to feel strong--prayers, good luck token in your pocket, whatever gives you strength.

Keep us posted on what steps you&#039;re taking to protect yourself and to separate yourself from him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you feel threatened, I suggest you try to get a Temporary Restraining Order (or whatever it&#8217;s called in NY).  It shouldn&#8217;t be too difficult to get one.  There are usually several different ways to get one&#8211;by hiring an attorney, or if there&#8217;s a legal service outfit (free or low cost) that&#8217;s in your area try it, or get a friend or relative to go with you to the police station and see if they have the forms and will let you complete them yourself.</p>
<p>The Temporary order will only last a couple of weeks or so, until a hearing can be set for the longer-lasting Restraining Order.  (Or maybe he&#8217;ll calm down by then and you won&#8217;t even need the longer term order.)</p>
<p>Glad to hear you changed phone numbers.  Remember NO CONTACT.  Keep in mind, he doesn&#8217;t think like you.  It&#8217;s not likely that he really misses you and wants a relationship like &#8220;normal&#8221; people have.  Normal ment don&#8217;t &#8220;sound insane&#8221; as you said, and don&#8217;t cause people to &#8220;feel threatened&#8221; or give people a &#8220;horrible violent feeling&#8221; as you posted.  It&#8217;s more likely that he has an attachment disorder which led to a personality disorder which YOU CAN&#8217;T FIX.  </p>
<p>So, like everyone says, don&#8217;t get caught up in his games.  NO CONTACT.</p>
<p>Also, if you&#8217;re still at home, ask the police to drive by your house (at the time of day or night you&#8217;re most concerned about) and explain why.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been where you are, yes it&#8217;s scary and bizarre, but you can work your way through it.  Be safe and take care of YOU!!! Do what you need to feel strong&#8211;prayers, good luck token in your pocket, whatever gives you strength.</p>
<p>Keep us posted on what steps you&#8217;re taking to protect yourself and to separate yourself from him.
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		<title>By: OxDrover</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Trinity,

Beating yourself up for answering his call isn&#039;t productive at this point, so let that go, Dear Trinity. But keep the LESSON from it. I don&#039;t know him and you do, so be careful physically. Move if you can or visit someone away for a while. Try not to be in an area where he could find you alone.

I&#039;m fortunate in some ways in that I am able to go armed if I feel the need to do so, and I don&#039;t live alone (my youngest son has lived with me during all this chaos) and now my oldest son has returned home to live with us as well, so I have two &quot;body guards.&quot; (literally). But I did live in a hidden location for 6 months before I felt safe to return home.

I realize because my P son and his friend the Trojan Horse psychpath were out to kill me, I am more than &quot;average&quot; in the paranoia department. LOL I hope he is just a blustering jerk trying to frighten you or hook you back into his web. They son&#039;t like losing CONTROL and don&#039;t generally take &quot;losing&quot; well at all. My P son is big on revenge, my P-bio-father was also big on revenge, and my P-xBF was big on revenge (he burned down the house of the XGF before me while he was dating me!)

You have some advantages really by living in a city where there are people around and the cops shouldn&#039;t be far away.

I won&#039;t live in TERROR again, but I do live cautiously and don&#039;t trust the Ps at all. I&#039;ve taken back my POWER, and my self confidence but at the same time I sure don&#039;t want to get &quot;cocky&quot; and think there&#039;s no way they can get to me. So the operative word is CAUTION. All the things they tell you about how to protect yourself are all good advice and worth remembering. My son waited for years and put a complex plan into operation to get to me, all the while trying to make me unaware of his real rage and intentions. So just don&#039;t let your guard down or start to feel too safe and give him an opportunity by not remaining alert. Don&#039;t live in TERROR but keep  your eyes open. I think the taking back your emotional POWER, your self confidence, and trusting in yourself to make good decisons and wise decisions is the biggest key to it all.

YOU ARE NOT ALONE. You should also have access to some support groups there, or good counselors by virtue of living in a large city. I have also heard some &quot;improvement&quot; (or whatever word you want to use) in your posts, I can hear the strength returning to you. Love fraud I think, and knowing you aren&#039;t alone, helps this tremendously! Most of us have at one time or another been &quot;insane with fear and confusion&quot; and I can &quot;hear&quot; that passing in your posts. Hang in there and take back your power, your strength! You are an awesome woman! TOWANDA!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Trinity,</p>
<p>Beating yourself up for answering his call isn&#8217;t productive at this point, so let that go, Dear Trinity. But keep the LESSON from it. I don&#8217;t know him and you do, so be careful physically. Move if you can or visit someone away for a while. Try not to be in an area where he could find you alone.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fortunate in some ways in that I am able to go armed if I feel the need to do so, and I don&#8217;t live alone (my youngest son has lived with me during all this chaos) and now my oldest son has returned home to live with us as well, so I have two &#8220;body guards.&#8221; (literally). But I did live in a hidden location for 6 months before I felt safe to return home.</p>
<p>I realize because my P son and his friend the Trojan Horse psychpath were out to kill me, I am more than &#8220;average&#8221; in the paranoia department. LOL I hope he is just a blustering jerk trying to frighten you or hook you back into his web. They son&#8217;t like losing CONTROL and don&#8217;t generally take &#8220;losing&#8221; well at all. My P son is big on revenge, my P-bio-father was also big on revenge, and my P-xBF was big on revenge (he burned down the house of the XGF before me while he was dating me!)</p>
<p>You have some advantages really by living in a city where there are people around and the cops shouldn&#8217;t be far away.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t live in TERROR again, but I do live cautiously and don&#8217;t trust the Ps at all. I&#8217;ve taken back my POWER, and my self confidence but at the same time I sure don&#8217;t want to get &#8220;cocky&#8221; and think there&#8217;s no way they can get to me. So the operative word is CAUTION. All the things they tell you about how to protect yourself are all good advice and worth remembering. My son waited for years and put a complex plan into operation to get to me, all the while trying to make me unaware of his real rage and intentions. So just don&#8217;t let your guard down or start to feel too safe and give him an opportunity by not remaining alert. Don&#8217;t live in TERROR but keep  your eyes open. I think the taking back your emotional POWER, your self confidence, and trusting in yourself to make good decisons and wise decisions is the biggest key to it all.</p>
<p>YOU ARE NOT ALONE. You should also have access to some support groups there, or good counselors by virtue of living in a large city. I have also heard some &#8220;improvement&#8221; (or whatever word you want to use) in your posts, I can hear the strength returning to you. Love fraud I think, and knowing you aren&#8217;t alone, helps this tremendously! Most of us have at one time or another been &#8220;insane with fear and confusion&#8221; and I can &#8220;hear&#8221; that passing in your posts. Hang in there and take back your power, your strength! You are an awesome woman! TOWANDA!!!!
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		<title>By: Trinity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trinity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I changed my phone number so now he can&#039;t call or message me anymore... WOOOOO! Thats a start. After he realized I wasn&#039;t going outside in the middle of the night to &quot;talk&quot; to him he hung up on me and wouldn&#039;t answer. It was a game to him and I didn&#039;t give him what he wanted. I am sorry I answered him but it just proves to me how sick and evil he really is and now he can&#039;t reach me unless in person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I changed my phone number so now he can&#8217;t call or message me anymore&#8230; WOOOOO! Thats a start. After he realized I wasn&#8217;t going outside in the middle of the night to &#8220;talk&#8221; to him he hung up on me and wouldn&#8217;t answer. It was a game to him and I didn&#8217;t give him what he wanted. I am sorry I answered him but it just proves to me how sick and evil he really is and now he can&#8217;t reach me unless in person.
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