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		<title>By: alohatraveler</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oxy,

I love the new editing tool. I just fixed some typos I made in 2008! HAHA! That&#039;s awesome.

Oxy, don&#039;t flatter me so much. It makes me feel weird. But, I am very glad if my stories helped you. That is the point of this for me... to help others.. otherwise, what a nightmare that was and for what? As if I needed that?!

Actually, I did need that. It helped me to wake up. I didn&#039;t know I was sleeping. Know what I mean?

Interacting with a sociopath or other exploitive personalities can cause a radical shift in our brains once we are able to see what is really going on. 

Also, I wanted to add that &quot;Sociopath&quot; and &quot;Psychopath&quot; are not in the DSM IV. My Professor said, &quot;Oh, those are just creations of Hollywood.&quot; Say what?! To me, a Sociopath meets criteria for the other AXIS II stuff but they add the socially exploitive element. They exploit people in all the different ways we have heard about here at LF.  

Some smile while they do it and use Love Bombs. Others use fear and intimidation. It&#039;s all abuse, no matter what flavor. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oxy,</p>
<p>I love the new editing tool. I just fixed some typos I made in 2008! HAHA! That&#8217;s awesome.</p>
<p>Oxy, don&#8217;t flatter me so much. It makes me feel weird. But, I am very glad if my stories helped you. That is the point of this for me&#8230; to help others.. otherwise, what a nightmare that was and for what? As if I needed that?!</p>
<p>Actually, I did need that. It helped me to wake up. I didn&#8217;t know I was sleeping. Know what I mean?</p>
<p>Interacting with a sociopath or other exploitive personalities can cause a radical shift in our brains once we are able to see what is really going on. </p>
<p>Also, I wanted to add that &#8220;Sociopath&#8221; and &#8220;Psychopath&#8221; are not in the DSM IV. My Professor said, &#8220;Oh, those are just creations of Hollywood.&#8221; Say what?! To me, a Sociopath meets criteria for the other AXIS II stuff but they add the socially exploitive element. They exploit people in all the different ways we have heard about here at LF.  </p>
<p>Some smile while they do it and use Love Bombs. Others use fear and intimidation. It&#8217;s all abuse, no matter what flavor. </p>
<p>Aloha&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. :O)
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		<title>By: alohatraveler</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Blue Jay,

I know at jail there is a quick mental health assessment in Santa Clara County. 

I suspect at the prison level, there is knowledge about AXIS II disorders. One would have to have that training in order to work so closely with these people or they might manipulate people all over the place. 

So you got a plea (pity play) on prison stationary? Frame the sad little envelope, just for fun. I would. 

Look who has all the power now! Good for you.

Keep on, keepin on.

Aloha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Blue Jay,</p>
<p>I know at jail there is a quick mental health assessment in Santa Clara County. </p>
<p>I suspect at the prison level, there is knowledge about AXIS II disorders. One would have to have that training in order to work so closely with these people or they might manipulate people all over the place. </p>
<p>So you got a plea (pity play) on prison stationary? Frame the sad little envelope, just for fun. I would. </p>
<p>Look who has all the power now! Good for you.</p>
<p>Keep on, keepin on.</p>
<p>Aloha
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		<title>By: Ox Drover</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Blue,

Psych care in prisons is lacking for the most part, the very very dangerous and ill patients may be medicated or simply locked up in a cell like a caged animal. I know of both. My son  has seen a therapist, only to con her....of course. But psych care is not a priority for the prisons.

As far as holding a group, you might do it at a church or other facility....doesn&#039;t have to be at your home. Might not be a good idea to do it at your home in fact. There are places you could get a room, though for a support group like that. I would not have one here at my house, but somewhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Blue,</p>
<p>Psych care in prisons is lacking for the most part, the very very dangerous and ill patients may be medicated or simply locked up in a cell like a caged animal. I know of both. My son  has seen a therapist, only to con her&#8230;.of course. But psych care is not a priority for the prisons.</p>
<p>As far as holding a group, you might do it at a church or other facility&#8230;.doesn&#8217;t have to be at your home. Might not be a good idea to do it at your home in fact. There are places you could get a room, though for a support group like that. I would not have one here at my house, but somewhere else.
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		<title>By: bluejay</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ox Drover,

I&#039;ve had similar thoughts (every now and then) - holding a support group at my house for anyone who&#039;s suffered due to ties with a spath.  If I do this, then, the whole neighborhood and/or town will know what I think about the kids father.  Who knows if I&#039;ll ever do this.  I would love for the spath to be diagnosed while he&#039;s in jail, confirming my suspicions about him.  I don&#039;t know if jail mates get psychological evaluations or not - does that just happen at the prison level?

I hope that your reunion turns out to be positive for the two of you.  Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ox Drover,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had similar thoughts (every now and then) &#8211; holding a support group at my house for anyone who&#8217;s suffered due to ties with a spath.  If I do this, then, the whole neighborhood and/or town will know what I think about the kids father.  Who knows if I&#8217;ll ever do this.  I would love for the spath to be diagnosed while he&#8217;s in jail, confirming my suspicions about him.  I don&#8217;t know if jail mates get psychological evaluations or not &#8211; does that just happen at the prison level?</p>
<p>I hope that your reunion turns out to be positive for the two of you.  Peace.
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		<title>By: Ox Drover</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bluejay,

Yesterday a girl I knew back in the 1980s contacted me on face book, and I gave her my phone number and she called. Her kids used to play with mine and we had a good time together, she is a nice gal.

She called today and her son has been in and out of prison for the last 20 years, but her daughter is doing well and the lady is doing well. I&#039;m going to go have lunch with her one day next week. I look forward to seeing her again. Sometimes these old friendships can be rekindled and sometimes not but I&#039;m going to give it a shot. Sounds also like she could use some support about her son in prison.

Psychopaths and other criminals effect not only themselves but their families, and their kids....she said he had 3 kids by 3 different women (sounds pretty spathy doesn&#039;t it?) and two have mental health issues and one has behavior issues....well, will  keep you posted on the old friendship, maybe we can get a local support group going for parents and others relatives of criminals and help out some folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bluejay,</p>
<p>Yesterday a girl I knew back in the 1980s contacted me on face book, and I gave her my phone number and she called. Her kids used to play with mine and we had a good time together, she is a nice gal.</p>
<p>She called today and her son has been in and out of prison for the last 20 years, but her daughter is doing well and the lady is doing well. I&#8217;m going to go have lunch with her one day next week. I look forward to seeing her again. Sometimes these old friendships can be rekindled and sometimes not but I&#8217;m going to give it a shot. Sounds also like she could use some support about her son in prison.</p>
<p>Psychopaths and other criminals effect not only themselves but their families, and their kids&#8230;.she said he had 3 kids by 3 different women (sounds pretty spathy doesn&#8217;t it?) and two have mental health issues and one has behavior issues&#8230;.well, will  keep you posted on the old friendship, maybe we can get a local support group going for parents and others relatives of criminals and help out some folks.
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		<title>By: bluejay</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your words, Oxy!  It&#039;s so true, he will not help himself.  He creates troubles for himself, not learning from a single one of them.  His motto is to figure out how to get out of his latest jams, trying to lure good-hearted people into rescuing him.  I don&#039;t have the time, the money, nor the inclination.  Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your words, Oxy!  It&#8217;s so true, he will not help himself.  He creates troubles for himself, not learning from a single one of them.  His motto is to figure out how to get out of his latest jams, trying to lure good-hearted people into rescuing him.  I don&#8217;t have the time, the money, nor the inclination.  Peace.
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		<title>By: Ox Drover</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Bluejay,

Yep, let him stew in his own juice, and let the consequences of his --repeat---HIS bad acts fall on HIS shoulders.

Do not fall for the pity play and never ever EVER think he will change or get better.....he is what he is because of his choices, not yours. NO ONE CAN HELP him because he will NOT help himself.

NC NC NC FOREVER!

Aloha, thank you for bringing this article back up, it is one of the BEST articles on LF and it is so true. It starts out about them, but ends up being about US and OUR healing and growth! Thanks very much for this article! TOWANDA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Bluejay,</p>
<p>Yep, let him stew in his own juice, and let the consequences of his &#8211;repeat&#8212;HIS bad acts fall on HIS shoulders.</p>
<p>Do not fall for the pity play and never ever EVER think he will change or get better&#8230;..he is what he is because of his choices, not yours. NO ONE CAN HELP him because he will NOT help himself.</p>
<p>NC NC NC FOREVER!</p>
<p>Aloha, thank you for bringing this article back up, it is one of the BEST articles on LF and it is so true. It starts out about them, but ends up being about US and OUR healing and growth! Thanks very much for this article! TOWANDA
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		<title>By: bluejay</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aussiegirl,

Thank you!  My oldest son struck me as being very concerned (about this latest letter), thinking that maybe, I would get sucked into helping their dear old dad, but I told him, no way.  I wrote a letter to my son, spelling it out that I am going to do what&#039;s best for all of us, that means, letting their dad take care of himself and his own problems.  Their father has made a mess of his life - it&#039;s tragic, but we can&#039;t help him in any way, shape, or form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aussiegirl,</p>
<p>Thank you!  My oldest son struck me as being very concerned (about this latest letter), thinking that maybe, I would get sucked into helping their dear old dad, but I told him, no way.  I wrote a letter to my son, spelling it out that I am going to do what&#8217;s best for all of us, that means, letting their dad take care of himself and his own problems.  Their father has made a mess of his life &#8211; it&#8217;s tragic, but we can&#8217;t help him in any way, shape, or form.
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		<title>By: aussiegirl</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bluejay -

&quot;my first jailhouse letter ... he fails to acknowledge (or recognize) how his latest drama could have affected all of us (here on planet earth). &quot;

You got it in one; they are NOT from this planet. Only HUMANS come from this planet and they are most definitely not human...

&quot;Everyone (friends and family) are disgusted with him, believing that he’s not working with a full deck. &quot;

No - not a FULL deck or even part of a deck - he&#039;s working with a STACKED deck and/or more than one set of cards. They all do.

So pleased to read here how strong you are being in not falling for the con again. Well done! x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bluejay -</p>
<p>&#8220;my first jailhouse letter &#8230; he fails to acknowledge (or recognize) how his latest drama could have affected all of us (here on planet earth). &#8221;</p>
<p>You got it in one; they are NOT from this planet. Only HUMANS come from this planet and they are most definitely not human&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Everyone (friends and family) are disgusted with him, believing that he’s not working with a full deck. &#8221;</p>
<p>No &#8211; not a FULL deck or even part of a deck &#8211; he&#8217;s working with a STACKED deck and/or more than one set of cards. They all do.</p>
<p>So pleased to read here how strong you are being in not falling for the con again. Well done! x
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		<title>By: bluejay</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good article.  Our spath is in another state in jail.  I received my first jailhouse letter (I&#039;ve never had one of these before).  The spath is in trouble and wants my help.  He loves me and the kids (he doesn&#039;t know what love is).  The spath gave me instructions, directing me what to do on his behalf (I was amazed by the gall of it), how to bail him out, get him free of charges (unrealistic thinking on his part).  Not gonna happen (also, it&#039;s beyond my control, obviously).  In his letter, he fails to acknowledge (or recognize) how his latest drama could have affected all of us (here on planet earth).  He&#039;s on his own.  The letter was a big pity play, seeing just how self-centered he is.  Everyone (friends and family) are disgusted with him, believing that he&#039;s not working with a full deck.  Personally, I&#039;d like the jailhouse personnel to &quot;lose&quot; the paperwork on him (since he&#039;s in another state), letting him sit there for a few years, then he wouldn&#039;t be extradited back to our state for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good article.  Our spath is in another state in jail.  I received my first jailhouse letter (I&#8217;ve never had one of these before).  The spath is in trouble and wants my help.  He loves me and the kids (he doesn&#8217;t know what love is).  The spath gave me instructions, directing me what to do on his behalf (I was amazed by the gall of it), how to bail him out, get him free of charges (unrealistic thinking on his part).  Not gonna happen (also, it&#8217;s beyond my control, obviously).  In his letter, he fails to acknowledge (or recognize) how his latest drama could have affected all of us (here on planet earth).  He&#8217;s on his own.  The letter was a big pity play, seeing just how self-centered he is.  Everyone (friends and family) are disgusted with him, believing that he&#8217;s not working with a full deck.  Personally, I&#8217;d like the jailhouse personnel to &#8220;lose&#8221; the paperwork on him (since he&#8217;s in another state), letting him sit there for a few years, then he wouldn&#8217;t be extradited back to our state for a while.
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