Comments on: MAO A gene interacts with testosterone to predict sociopathy http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/08/03/mao-a-gene-interacts-with-testosterone-to-predict-sociopathy/ Wake up to the danger of sociopaths Wed, 08 Feb 2012 21:33:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: OxDrover http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/08/03/mao-a-gene-interacts-with-testosterone-to-predict-sociopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-68591 OxDrover Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:11:55 +0000 http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/08/03/mao-a-gene-interacts-with-testosterone-to-predict-sociopathy/#comment-68591 I've raised and bred several species of animals in my life, and genetics, plays a big part in their over all temperment, so why, since we are also mammals, shouldn't it at least play a gernal part in ours? Training and environment also plays a significant part in what kind of person we become, as well as an animal. Yesterday I went to get a heifer caught up to go to the butcher tomorrow afternoon. She is from a very gentle cow, but she has never been handled or "messed with" and so therefore does not trust people. She does trust her family (small herd) so when she saw us driving the herd (which we rarely do any more) she got spooked and took off through a fence to escape. I "fooled" her though, by taking one of her aunts who is VERY gentle (a former show heifer) and will follow me like a dog for treats of a slice of bread. So she saw her aunt getting something and with the strong herd instinct that cattle have, she rushed over to be with her aunts and sibs. Bingo! I had her caught in a secure facility from which she couldn't escape, and by using a little cow-pychology, one or two at a time, I released the rest of the herd retaining the "chosen one." Since I had a purpose, and feel no remorse or guilt about this, it must mean I am a cow's version of a "psychopath" where she is concerned. However, I do my best to make sure she doesn't suffer undue or unneccessary stress or injury either psychological or physical as it makes the meat tough. Her mother and her aunts are half sisters, out of cows who were also half sisters, and so on for several generations, so my cattle have a well known genetic package that has been CULLED for "bad attitudes" for for 10-15 generationsn by me, and for probably that many generations by the previous owner of those genetics. Bulls have been chosen not only on their physical perfection or the size of their arse, but on the TEMPERMENT of not only themselves but the temperment of both their parents. But even while my heifer that goes to the butcher tomorrow is from a long line of gentle cattle from a breed that is considered gentle compared to other breeds, she is "wild" because I never gave her a loving environment up close so she could get to know me and trust me. I think you can take most critters and if they are treated badly enough, or scarry enough, they will become fighters just to survive (not all, but most will, I think) But you aren't going to have much luck "taming" a calf born from a breeding herd of the Spanish fighting cattle, and "taming" a tiger so that it is truly trustworthy isn't going to be very successful at all, there are just some things that are bred so deeply in the the animal or species that it will take generations of domestication and highly selective breeding to take that aggression out of the animal. This heifer has gentle genetics, but didn't have an environment that made her want to have contact with humans, or have humans tell her which direction to go. But, she was born and bred to produce high quality beef, not more baby calves, so I didn't spend a great deal of time training her to lead or to Love me and trust me. My P-son was born out of a "herd" filled with psychopaths on both side of his parents, me and my x husband. and I know for a fact that both sides of my family of origin had a significant number of psychoplaths, going back for generations. So it isn't unlikely he got a HIGH dose of genetic material as well as some environmental component that "turned on" his psychopathic aggression at puberty.I have NO idea what it was that "triggered" it. Or if, or when, it could have been stopped, or if it actually could have been stopped. I’ve raised and bred several species of animals in my life, and genetics, plays a big part in their over all temperment, so why, since we are also mammals, shouldn’t it at least play a gernal part in ours?

Training and environment also plays a significant part in what kind of person we become, as well as an animal.

Yesterday I went to get a heifer caught up to go to the butcher tomorrow afternoon. She is from a very gentle cow, but she has never been handled or “messed with” and so therefore does not trust people. She does trust her family (small herd) so when she saw us driving the herd (which we rarely do any more) she got spooked and took off through a fence to escape. I “fooled” her though, by taking one of her aunts who is VERY gentle (a former show heifer) and will follow me like a dog for treats of a slice of bread. So she saw her aunt getting something and with the strong herd instinct that cattle have, she rushed over to be with her aunts and sibs. Bingo! I had her caught in a secure facility from which she couldn’t escape, and by using a little cow-pychology, one or two at a time, I released the rest of the herd retaining the “chosen one.”

Since I had a purpose, and feel no remorse or guilt about this, it must mean I am a cow’s version of a “psychopath” where she is concerned. However, I do my best to make sure she doesn’t suffer undue or unneccessary stress or injury either psychological or physical as it makes the meat tough.

Her mother and her aunts are half sisters, out of cows who were also half sisters, and so on for several generations, so my cattle have a well known genetic package that has been CULLED for “bad attitudes” for for 10-15 generationsn by me, and for probably that many generations by the previous owner of those genetics. Bulls have been chosen not only on their physical perfection or the size of their arse, but on the TEMPERMENT of not only themselves but the temperment of both their parents.

But even while my heifer that goes to the butcher tomorrow is from a long line of gentle cattle from a breed that is considered gentle compared to other breeds, she is “wild” because I never gave her a loving environment up close so she could get to know me and trust me.

I think you can take most critters and if they are treated badly enough, or scarry enough, they will become fighters just to survive (not all, but most will, I think) But you aren’t going to have much luck “taming” a calf born from a breeding herd of the Spanish fighting cattle, and “taming” a tiger so that it is truly trustworthy isn’t going to be very successful at all, there are just some things that are bred so deeply in the the animal or species that it will take generations of domestication and highly selective breeding to take that aggression out of the animal.

This heifer has gentle genetics, but didn’t have an environment that made her want to have contact with humans, or have humans tell her which direction to go. But, she was born and bred to produce high quality beef, not more baby calves, so I didn’t spend a great deal of time training her to lead or to Love me and trust me.

My P-son was born out of a “herd” filled with psychopaths on both side of his parents, me and my x husband. and I know for a fact that both sides of my family of origin had a significant number of psychoplaths, going back for generations. So it isn’t unlikely he got a HIGH dose of genetic material as well as some environmental component that “turned on” his psychopathic aggression at puberty.I have NO idea what it was that “triggered” it. Or if, or when, it could have been stopped, or if it actually could have been stopped.

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]]> By: wakingup http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/08/03/mao-a-gene-interacts-with-testosterone-to-predict-sociopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-68573 wakingup Sat, 27 Mar 2010 03:27:04 +0000 http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/08/03/mao-a-gene-interacts-with-testosterone-to-predict-sociopathy/#comment-68573 Yes, leave the rest to God... I hate to admit this but I have been pretty angry with God lately. I look at this however as a step up from briefly questioning the very existence of God, but grief plays some cruel tricks on our minds. I do believe with all my heart that it was God Herself who led me to "stumble" upon LF. Just when I think all hope is gone God shows himself in the most unlikely ways. I know I have just contradicted myself with the whole love/hate relationship comment, but my emotions and daily disposition change with the wind as well. I do feel that Im making progress, and like I said, just when things seem bleakest something happens and I find strength to keep going. Thanks for the support. Yes, leave the rest to God…
I hate to admit this but I have been pretty angry with God lately. I look at this however as a step up from briefly questioning the very existence of God, but grief plays some cruel tricks on our minds. I do believe with all my heart that it was God Herself who led me to “stumble” upon LF. Just when I think all hope is gone God shows himself in the most unlikely ways. I know I have just contradicted myself with the whole love/hate relationship comment, but my emotions and daily disposition change with the wind as well. I do feel that Im making progress, and like I said, just when things seem bleakest something happens and I find strength to keep going. Thanks for the support.

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]]> By: OxDrover http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/08/03/mao-a-gene-interacts-with-testosterone-to-predict-sociopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-68571 OxDrover Sat, 27 Mar 2010 02:54:37 +0000 http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/08/03/mao-a-gene-interacts-with-testosterone-to-predict-sociopathy/#comment-68571 Dear Waking up, If you don't take home one single lesson from this blog but the o ne about "IT IS HIM, NOT ME" then you can heal, and you can recover! Obviously your X had the double whammy, BADDDD ENVIRONMENT AND BAD GENES! Your child can have a good parent, and that is worth a lot! So keep on reading and keep on learning! Be the best parent you can be and leave the rest to God! ((((Hugs)))) and God bless. Dear Waking up,

If you don’t take home one single lesson from this blog but the o ne about “IT IS HIM, NOT ME” then you can heal, and you can recover!

Obviously your X had the double whammy, BADDDD ENVIRONMENT AND BAD GENES! Your child can have a good parent, and that is worth a lot! So keep on reading and keep on learning! Be the best parent you can be and leave the rest to God! ((((Hugs)))) and God bless.

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]]> By: wakingup http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/08/03/mao-a-gene-interacts-with-testosterone-to-predict-sociopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-68567 wakingup Sat, 27 Mar 2010 02:19:11 +0000 http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/08/03/mao-a-gene-interacts-with-testosterone-to-predict-sociopathy/#comment-68567 I am so glad I read this blog. I posted a question recently on another thread about the effects of anabolic steroids on the brain function of a sociopath. When I read this article, lightbulbs went off in my mind like fireworks because so many things made sense. I am not well versed in technical terms regarding brain function, but as I read these words they made complete sense to me. My ex s-path grew up in an extremely abusive environment and the article pointed out that this type of upbringing could lead to decreased levels of MAO A. This paired with his obvious levels of testosterone, plus the pure testosterone he pumps into his body via a needle would help to explain, according to the findings in the article, his sociopathy. Of course there are so many other variables to this as well as any other story, but everything I have observed about my ex and his past fits the findings here to a TEE. Another lightbulb was the part of the article about the family members who all showed s-path traits. My ex is one of nine children. Not a single sibling from the entire family has ever had a successful long lasting relationship. Not a single one! Coincidence? Every one of the nine siblings also has poor impulse control, i.e. drug abuse, pathological lying, multiple sex partners, inability to hold a job long term, and the list goes on. Again, it is staggering to me that every single one of them share many of the same s-path characteristics. I am by no means diagnosing an entire family, but I found it fascinating to make the correlation between the information in the article and my ex s-paths own life, both familial and individual. This kind of answered my question about the steroid use. I guess the rest of my questions may go foreveer unanswered, but just when I find myself doubting myself and thinking, "maybe it isn't him, maybe it really is me", I find a blog like this one and I am once again reminded that, "No, it really is HIM!" I am so glad I read this blog. I posted a question recently on another thread about the effects of anabolic steroids on the brain function of a sociopath. When I read this article, lightbulbs went off in my mind like fireworks because so many things made sense. I am not well versed in technical terms regarding brain function, but as I read these words they made complete sense to me.

My ex s-path grew up in an extremely abusive environment and the article pointed out that this type of upbringing could lead to decreased levels of MAO A. This paired with his obvious levels of testosterone, plus the pure testosterone he pumps into his body via a needle would help to explain, according to the findings in the article, his sociopathy. Of course there are so many other variables to this as well as any other story, but everything I have observed about my ex and his past fits the findings here to a TEE.

Another lightbulb was the part of the article about the family members who all showed s-path traits. My ex is one of nine children. Not a single sibling from the entire family has ever had a successful long lasting relationship. Not a single one! Coincidence? Every one of the nine siblings also has poor impulse control, i.e. drug abuse, pathological lying, multiple sex partners, inability to hold a job long term, and the list goes on. Again, it is staggering to me that every single one of them share many of the same s-path characteristics. I am by no means diagnosing an entire family, but I found it fascinating to make the correlation between the information in the article and my ex s-paths own life, both familial and individual. This kind of answered my question about the steroid use. I guess the rest of my questions may go foreveer unanswered, but just when I find myself doubting myself and thinking, “maybe it isn’t him, maybe it really is me”, I find a blog like this one and I am once again reminded that, “No, it really is HIM!”

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]]> By: shabbychic http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/08/03/mao-a-gene-interacts-with-testosterone-to-predict-sociopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-66197 shabbychic Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:04:09 +0000 http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/08/03/mao-a-gene-interacts-with-testosterone-to-predict-sociopathy/#comment-66197 @ lori... I don't know the answer to your question, but I just wanted to let you know that I am here, very sorry to read about what you are going through, I hope you will check back, there are many people on this site that have a child who is a sociopath, you can get a lot of support here!!! @ lori… I don’t know the answer to your question, but I just wanted to let you know that I am here, very sorry to read about what you are going through, I hope you will check back, there are many people on this site that have a child who is a sociopath, you can get a lot of support here!!!

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]]> By: autisticsouls http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/08/03/mao-a-gene-interacts-with-testosterone-to-predict-sociopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-66193 autisticsouls Sat, 13 Mar 2010 05:13:59 +0000 http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/08/03/mao-a-gene-interacts-with-testosterone-to-predict-sociopathy/#comment-66193 Probably in jail now due to no early intervention nor awareness. be it not possible at young age to give more female hormones to level out the testosterone? be so mike been so given testosterone for feminine looking nearly and no interest in sex. be so he grew himself hairs on his body afters. before this i had more body hairs than himself. be so when i meet of himself he had naught body hair and be so lack of testosterone he be so have of himself. Des Probably in jail now due to no early intervention nor awareness.

be it not possible at young age to give more female hormones to level out the testosterone? be so mike been so given testosterone for feminine looking nearly and no interest in sex. be so he grew himself hairs on his body afters. before this i had more body hairs than himself.

be so when i meet of himself he had naught body hair and be so lack of testosterone he be so have of himself.

Des

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]]> By: lori http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/08/03/mao-a-gene-interacts-with-testosterone-to-predict-sociopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-978 lori Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:05:32 +0000 http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/08/03/mao-a-gene-interacts-with-testosterone-to-predict-sociopathy/#comment-978 i believe my son is a sociopath. he is 20 and has been troubled since his early years, everyone of the symptons rings true. He totally does not think anything is wrong with him, can I can get him diagnosed? How do I do this? His father is a narcissist and we divorced when my son was 7. I also have 2 daughters and my son starting acting out i tried to get treatment for him, he was diagnosed with adhd his father would not agree to medications and treatment and took him under his care, my son has gone downhill fast and his trouble is getting worse, he dropped out of school, cant keep a job and is currently under investigation for rape. My question is was this passed down by me or his father or both. My one daughter has adhd as well, what are her risks and do they have a chance of passing this to their children. This has been hell, any comments or advise would be greatly appreciated. i believe my son is a sociopath. he is 20 and has been troubled since his early years, everyone of the symptons rings true. He totally does not think anything is wrong with him, can I can get him diagnosed? How do I do this? His father is a narcissist and we divorced when my son was 7. I also have 2 daughters and my son starting acting out i tried to get treatment for him, he was diagnosed with adhd his father would not agree to medications and treatment and took him under his care, my son has gone downhill fast and his trouble is getting worse, he dropped out of school, cant keep a job and is currently under investigation for rape. My question is was this passed down by me or his father or both. My one daughter has adhd as well, what are her risks and do they have a chance of passing this to their children. This has been hell, any comments or advise would be greatly appreciated.

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