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		<title>By: OxDrover</title>
		<link>http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/04/27/book-review-the-betrayal-bond/comment-page-1/#comment-82444</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 02:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, by &quot;respect&quot; I mean like I RESPECT a copper head or any other pit viper. I know the damage they can do so I sure don&#039;t want to step on one. Not respect like I would have for a person with a real conscience or a moral compass, just respect in the way you know something can hurt you. He knows I&#039;m no push over!

He has conned me in the past, and I am sure he laughed his arse off about it (I&#039;ve read the letters he wrote to his partners) but you know, at the same time, I know he knows now that neither C, or D or me will EVER AGAIN BE CONNED.

The last time D and I saw him in prison, when I went to the bathroom, he looked at D and D said his face got blank and his eyes looked like a reptile&#039;s and he said to D, &quot;I know you, you are just like me!&quot; (meaning we think that he thought D was also a predator like him.)

Before he sent the Trojan horse into our family, he had tried to convince D to be his TH-controller by &quot;smarmying&quot; him up, but D wouldn&#039;t have any of that, so P-son, thought they were competing predators. But he does know we are not push  overs and it is WAR not politics now. The con is over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, by &#8220;respect&#8221; I mean like I RESPECT a copper head or any other pit viper. I know the damage they can do so I sure don&#8217;t want to step on one. Not respect like I would have for a person with a real conscience or a moral compass, just respect in the way you know something can hurt you. He knows I&#8217;m no push over!</p>
<p>He has conned me in the past, and I am sure he laughed his arse off about it (I&#8217;ve read the letters he wrote to his partners) but you know, at the same time, I know he knows now that neither C, or D or me will EVER AGAIN BE CONNED.</p>
<p>The last time D and I saw him in prison, when I went to the bathroom, he looked at D and D said his face got blank and his eyes looked like a reptile&#8217;s and he said to D, &#8220;I know you, you are just like me!&#8221; (meaning we think that he thought D was also a predator like him.)</p>
<p>Before he sent the Trojan horse into our family, he had tried to convince D to be his TH-controller by &#8220;smarmying&#8221; him up, but D wouldn&#8217;t have any of that, so P-son, thought they were competing predators. But he does know we are not push  overs and it is WAR not politics now. The con is over.
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		<title>By: silvermoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>silvermoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure I&#039;d want to have to take that test myself. 

I am sure the insult had to learn to be that way. Sure he&#039;s living that way now.

I don&#039;t confidence that he&#039;d have that respect for me. I;m just hoping he&#039;s not of a mind to be bothered to do what he&#039;d have to to find me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure I&#8217;d want to have to take that test myself. </p>
<p>I am sure the insult had to learn to be that way. Sure he&#8217;s living that way now.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t confidence that he&#8217;d have that respect for me. I;m just hoping he&#8217;s not of a mind to be bothered to do what he&#8217;d have to to find me.
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		<title>By: OxDrover</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the saying, &quot;walk quietly and carry a big gun?&quot; or was that STICK? Oh, well, I like the gun better, it seems more intimidating than a stick. LOL The funny thing is that no one who knows me has ever been afraid of me in the least except the psychopaths. DUH!? And frankly my P-son would like to think he is &quot;tougher&quot; and &quot;smarter&quot; than dear old mom, but I&#039;m not sure he really believes he&#039;s up to that job. I do think he has some fear/respect for me in some ways. Doesn&#039;t mean he wouldn&#039;t tackle me if he could, but just that he knows I won&#039;t be a PUSHOVER. He also knows that C won&#039;t be a pushover and that D  is not a pushover either, so in spite of the fact that he is impulsive and too brash, I also think that he is basically one that wants to be the WINNER and isn&#039;t going to &quot;fight a circle saw&quot; unless he thinks he has an EDGE....the girl he killed was unarmed and helpless, so he is not really BRAVE. He has learned to fight in prison and I&#039;ve been told that he will &quot;belly up to&quot; the biggest meanest gang member in the joint, but he had to do that or be repeatedly raped or turned out as a whore/slave because he was a SMALL white guy when he went to the joint the first and second time. It was fight or die for him, and he learned to fight and keep up a front for survival in there.

But at the same time I can&#039;t see him setting himself up to get shot either. Hes a sneaky coward at heart in spite of all the bravado.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the saying, &#8220;walk quietly and carry a big gun?&#8221; or was that STICK? Oh, well, I like the gun better, it seems more intimidating than a stick. LOL The funny thing is that no one who knows me has ever been afraid of me in the least except the psychopaths. DUH!? And frankly my P-son would like to think he is &#8220;tougher&#8221; and &#8220;smarter&#8221; than dear old mom, but I&#8217;m not sure he really believes he&#8217;s up to that job. I do think he has some fear/respect for me in some ways. Doesn&#8217;t mean he wouldn&#8217;t tackle me if he could, but just that he knows I won&#8217;t be a PUSHOVER. He also knows that C won&#8217;t be a pushover and that D  is not a pushover either, so in spite of the fact that he is impulsive and too brash, I also think that he is basically one that wants to be the WINNER and isn&#8217;t going to &#8220;fight a circle saw&#8221; unless he thinks he has an EDGE&#8230;.the girl he killed was unarmed and helpless, so he is not really BRAVE. He has learned to fight in prison and I&#8217;ve been told that he will &#8220;belly up to&#8221; the biggest meanest gang member in the joint, but he had to do that or be repeatedly raped or turned out as a whore/slave because he was a SMALL white guy when he went to the joint the first and second time. It was fight or die for him, and he learned to fight and keep up a front for survival in there.</p>
<p>But at the same time I can&#8217;t see him setting himself up to get shot either. Hes a sneaky coward at heart in spite of all the bravado.
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		<title>By: silvermoon</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL OX, Case Closed.....HAHAHAHA</description>
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		<title>By: silvermoon</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear ya OX!

I had a GSD and she was amazing. Miss that dog. If she didn&#039;t like somebody in the house, it always panned out that there was a reason I shouldn&#039;t.

I&#039;m going to get another one. Female. They are THE BEST.

No point n wasting words on a SPATH. Having the reutation of not being someone who talks a lot just for the sake of making noise is good. too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear ya OX!</p>
<p>I had a GSD and she was amazing. Miss that dog. If she didn&#8217;t like somebody in the house, it always panned out that there was a reason I shouldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to get another one. Female. They are THE BEST.</p>
<p>No point n wasting words on a SPATH. Having the reutation of not being someone who talks a lot just for the sake of making noise is good. too.
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		<title>By: OxDrover</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silver, Yep, Wyatt was my hero. Did you hear about the guy who was tried for shooting a gun slinger, they couldn&#039;t tell if the guy had been shot in the back of the head with the bullet coming out the front or in the eye with the bullet coming out the back of the head.

The judge thought about it and said, &quot;In the first case, good judgment, and in the second case, good shooting.&quot; Banged gavel and said &quot;Case closed.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silver, Yep, Wyatt was my hero. Did you hear about the guy who was tried for shooting a gun slinger, they couldn&#8217;t tell if the guy had been shot in the back of the head with the bullet coming out the front or in the eye with the bullet coming out the back of the head.</p>
<p>The judge thought about it and said, &#8220;In the first case, good judgment, and in the second case, good shooting.&#8221; Banged gavel and said &#8220;Case closed.&#8221;
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		<title>By: OxDrover</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silvermoon,

Well, you sort of have to think about what the RISKS are vs. the benefits of various actions, AND act not re-act.

It doesn&#039;t cost me anything but a second to put some slip ons my feet when I go outside esp at night (though I do like to go barefoot) in case there are snakes in the yard. I have seen plenty of snakes in the yard through the years---almost all poison ones that blend with the grass and leaves and are hard to spot in the day time so I am less likely to get bitten if I am barefoot.

Yes, I have 3 dogs----and I listen for their different barks.

I also have a fire extinguisher in my kitchen, one in the barn and one in the aircraft hangar...total cost about $60. Never had to use any of them.

I wear seat belts in the car because it is the law (prevent a ticket) and because of the stats of lowering death rates in a crash. Never had a crash since they were legally mandated.

Have a cell phone in my pocket any time I leave the front door in case I fall and break a leg, get snake bitten, or any number of things, car breaks down...whatever. I also have a fire arm, in case of snakes or intruders (there are lots of &quot;oil field trash&quot; around here and illegal aliens and so on because of the natural gas drilling in the area around my farm) Plus like I said, the fire arm has saved my bacon on 3 occasions and I never had to pull the trigger yet.

However, on that score I decided a long time ago that I would have NO PROBLEM pulling it if I felt threatened. Not going to violate the law doing it, but within the law WILL use it. A few months ago a home owner (old man) shot a robber who was outside stealing stuff off his car port and ran away when he went to the door and told the guy to halt. NOT legal to shoot in that case. Can&#039;t legally protect PROPERTY, only life and limb either of yourself or someone else.

I no longer get a &quot;rush&quot; when a strange car/truck drives up in front of my house (at the end of a dead end drive) but if I don&#039;t know the person, I am cautious but not terrified. Not about to let them into the house or close enough to  grab me and they need to have both hands where I can see them, cause they WON&#039;T be seeing both of mine. I have no problem asking strange men to &quot;stop right there and tell me who you are&quot; as they get out of their vehicle. (which is usually quite a ways from my front door as I have a long walk from the parking areas.)

If it offends them to identify themselves too bad. Usually even if I don&#039;t know them, they identify themselves by saying &quot;OH, I&#039;m your neighbor Fred&#039;s nephew, Sam from Little Rock, I just stopped by to see if I could fish in your pond.&quot; At that point I let them SEE my other hand and what is in it, and say &quot;No, no problem at all, go ahead and fish. Thanks for stopping by.&quot;

Sure they are going to tell Uncle Fred that &quot; when I went toward the door that old woman had a gun in her hand and told me to tell her who I was before she would let me walk up to the door.&quot;

Word gets out, and that&#039;s OKAY with me! BTW no one sneaks up on the terrier I have in the house, he has ears, well......like  a terrier and barks when someone strange is in the area of the  house. The outside dogs also alert to other dogs, coons and strangers as well. Different barks for different critters.

So I&#039;m well protected I think and sleep okay at night! Knowing that the terrier is on the foot of the bed and if the outside dogs change their barks I&#039;ll wake up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silvermoon,</p>
<p>Well, you sort of have to think about what the RISKS are vs. the benefits of various actions, AND act not re-act.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t cost me anything but a second to put some slip ons my feet when I go outside esp at night (though I do like to go barefoot) in case there are snakes in the yard. I have seen plenty of snakes in the yard through the years&#8212;almost all poison ones that blend with the grass and leaves and are hard to spot in the day time so I am less likely to get bitten if I am barefoot.</p>
<p>Yes, I have 3 dogs&#8212;-and I listen for their different barks.</p>
<p>I also have a fire extinguisher in my kitchen, one in the barn and one in the aircraft hangar&#8230;total cost about $60. Never had to use any of them.</p>
<p>I wear seat belts in the car because it is the law (prevent a ticket) and because of the stats of lowering death rates in a crash. Never had a crash since they were legally mandated.</p>
<p>Have a cell phone in my pocket any time I leave the front door in case I fall and break a leg, get snake bitten, or any number of things, car breaks down&#8230;whatever. I also have a fire arm, in case of snakes or intruders (there are lots of &#8220;oil field trash&#8221; around here and illegal aliens and so on because of the natural gas drilling in the area around my farm) Plus like I said, the fire arm has saved my bacon on 3 occasions and I never had to pull the trigger yet.</p>
<p>However, on that score I decided a long time ago that I would have NO PROBLEM pulling it if I felt threatened. Not going to violate the law doing it, but within the law WILL use it. A few months ago a home owner (old man) shot a robber who was outside stealing stuff off his car port and ran away when he went to the door and told the guy to halt. NOT legal to shoot in that case. Can&#8217;t legally protect PROPERTY, only life and limb either of yourself or someone else.</p>
<p>I no longer get a &#8220;rush&#8221; when a strange car/truck drives up in front of my house (at the end of a dead end drive) but if I don&#8217;t know the person, I am cautious but not terrified. Not about to let them into the house or close enough to  grab me and they need to have both hands where I can see them, cause they WON&#8217;T be seeing both of mine. I have no problem asking strange men to &#8220;stop right there and tell me who you are&#8221; as they get out of their vehicle. (which is usually quite a ways from my front door as I have a long walk from the parking areas.)</p>
<p>If it offends them to identify themselves too bad. Usually even if I don&#8217;t know them, they identify themselves by saying &#8220;OH, I&#8217;m your neighbor Fred&#8217;s nephew, Sam from Little Rock, I just stopped by to see if I could fish in your pond.&#8221; At that point I let them SEE my other hand and what is in it, and say &#8220;No, no problem at all, go ahead and fish. Thanks for stopping by.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure they are going to tell Uncle Fred that &#8221; when I went toward the door that old woman had a gun in her hand and told me to tell her who I was before she would let me walk up to the door.&#8221;</p>
<p>Word gets out, and that&#8217;s OKAY with me! BTW no one sneaks up on the terrier I have in the house, he has ears, well&#8230;&#8230;like  a terrier and barks when someone strange is in the area of the  house. The outside dogs also alert to other dogs, coons and strangers as well. Different barks for different critters.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m well protected I think and sleep okay at night! Knowing that the terrier is on the foot of the bed and if the outside dogs change their barks I&#8217;ll wake up.
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		<title>By: silvermoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>silvermoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dogs hear better than people. And most of the BS really doesn&#039;t register with them. 

&quot;Fast is good, but accuracy is everything&quot;
Wyatt Earp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dogs hear better than people. And most of the BS really doesn&#8217;t register with them. </p>
<p>&#8220;Fast is good, but accuracy is everything&#8221;<br />
Wyatt Earp
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		<title>By: Wini</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SilverMoon, LOL ... you are on to something.  I can hear &quot;them&quot; now ... complaining how all the decent folks are uniting and can see right through &quot;them&quot;!  

&quot;Chief, chief, the Indians are on the warpath, lets round them up, throw them into the paddy wagons, throw away the key and call a press conference how we quarantined them for society&#039;s good.  Then the spin doctors come out full force telling folks not to listen to those disgruntled people who got screwed and tatooed.  Scatching head &quot;I thought she/he&#039;d be a basket case for the rest of their days&quot;?????

But, dogs and guns work for me.

TOWANDA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SilverMoon, LOL &#8230; you are on to something.  I can hear &#8220;them&#8221; now &#8230; complaining how all the decent folks are uniting and can see right through &#8220;them&#8221;!  </p>
<p>&#8220;Chief, chief, the Indians are on the warpath, lets round them up, throw them into the paddy wagons, throw away the key and call a press conference how we quarantined them for society&#8217;s good.  Then the spin doctors come out full force telling folks not to listen to those disgruntled people who got screwed and tatooed.  Scatching head &#8220;I thought she/he&#8217;d be a basket case for the rest of their days&#8221;?????</p>
<p>But, dogs and guns work for me.</p>
<p>TOWANDA
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		<title>By: silvermoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>silvermoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Its an interesting rumination OX. 
Especially when we talk about becoming invisible. 

I think it boils down to a judgment that is very individual and must follow a LOT of conscious thinking. Unconcious thinking is all about what I think of as the distortions brought on by the desire for the illusion the SPATH created. And before you can choose to carry a gun, it MUST be decided that nonsense is over.

MY though, get a dog. Let the dog jump at every sound and then you decide which noisemakers to shoot at......

Your thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Its an interesting rumination OX.<br />
Especially when we talk about becoming invisible. </p>
<p>I think it boils down to a judgment that is very individual and must follow a LOT of conscious thinking. Unconcious thinking is all about what I think of as the distortions brought on by the desire for the illusion the SPATH created. And before you can choose to carry a gun, it MUST be decided that nonsense is over.</p>
<p>MY though, get a dog. Let the dog jump at every sound and then you decide which noisemakers to shoot at&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Your thoughts?
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