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Pastor punished for complaining about a problem priest

In Philadelphia, Msgr. William J. Lynn is on trial, the first Catholic Church official charged with endangering the welfare of children by transferring problem priests around the diocese. Every day, there is more outrageous testimony about the alleged church cover-up. Here’s the latest installment:

Bucks priest: Complaints about fellow cleric led to punishment, on Philly.com.



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  1. KarmaChameleon says:

    Yes, Truthspeak you sure did just type that and I could not agree more.



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  2. skylar says:

    Truth, Louise and Grace
    re: code of silence.
    That’s a huge red flag.
    My exspath used secrets to bond with his minions and also to put them in a position of vulnerability.

    For example, the way he would work his cons is to tell each person that he was manipulating all the others “victims” and only THAT person knew the truth. So each was keeping a secret from all the others, yet each was being lied to about his actual intentions. And there were multiple intentions. They were ALL VICTIMS, VICTIMIZING EACH OTHER AT HIS DIRECTION. That makes them all guilty of being the perpetrators who therefore DESERVE to be victimized!

    He had the whole thing figured out and played this same game each time. The actual con/story line would change but the common denominator was SECRETS.

    This way every one was too ashamed to admit their part and he got away scot free to do the same thing again.

    The worst part is that he involved the sheriff and his deputies from our county, as well as the adjoining county. This was really important because it ensured he’d never get busted.

    He knew exactly how to do this and he took his time, literally years, so that nobody would see through his scheme.



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  3. behind_blue_eyes says:

    G1S;

    I am sorry about the horrible trauma inflicted upon you by your pastor. I am also angry that the DA took such a nonchalant approach.

    I admire your courage in putting something up about him on FB, even if it was fleeting. Are there other online forums, more anonymous, where you can also post the details of his crime?

    Should you do this, take time, make it as detailed as possible and proofread it several times, as the more detailed your writing, the more believable it becomes. Tell everything, not only about the rape, but your reporting it to both the Synod and DA.

    Maybe you can do some of your own investigating via the internet to find other victims. I am sure there were many.



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  4. G1S says:

    BBE, the DA didn’t take a non-chalant attitude. I actually spoke with an assistant DA privately in an attorney’s office. That was the same attorney who broke open the Catholic priest sexual abuse scandal in our state. In other words, this attorney had already gone through this once and had a lot of creditability with the AG’s office.

    I’ve mentioned elswhere on LF the two brothers that I know, one of whom introduced me to my ex-husband. The other brother is the one who retained this lawyer. They referred me to him.

    The AG’s office was willing to work with me if I could produce other victims. Emotionally, I couldn’t even begin to think about tracking others down. I couldn’t do it.

    I did tell the Synod. They did nothing to see how I felt or if I had gotten any help. My guess is that would have been seen as an admission of culpability on their part.

    The problem legally was it was my word against his. There is no proof. There was no police report. I don’t think they even had police rape kits back then. The rape happened years ago, but there is no statute of limitations.

    I needed something like the Sandusky case – multiple victims testifying to essentially the same thing. It would have been difficult to find them, although my mother did ask around and heard stories of this minister being inappropriate elsewhere. People reacted differently. Some got angry right away and so the minister never pressed further, which means technically, you can say that he never did anything.

    I took the stuff off of FB primarily because I didn’t want to go public and have the Ps back in my life.

    Another reason is I’m not sure how things are going to go with my job. They’re downsizing where I am and transferring a lot of the jobs to India.

    I spoke with a recruiter last week who told me, when he heard where I am working, that his company has a contract with mine and that there is going to be a substantial layoff company-wide in the very near future. I’m sure he wasn’t supposed to say that, but it fits with what I have been seeing.

    That doesn’t mean my job is going to go. They wouldn’t be getting rid of everybody, but who knows? Some of the people that they’ve let go already hasn’t made sense so there isn’t always rhyme and reason for who stays and who goes.

    My concern is if I went public with this now, at a time when there is a chance that I might be needing to find a new job, who would want to hire me if I were in the news with this sort of thing? I think it might be a kiss of death.

    The last I heard was that the minister had cancer and wasn’t doing very well. He had a million dollar home on Cape Cod because he also got a local TV program discussing religious matters in the state. Yes, he was a public voice of authority. It was one of those very early, Sunday morning programs that I think nobody watches because they’re in bed sleeping. He had two incomes, from the church and this TV show.

    Truthspeak, I used to consider myself the most humane of people. Everybody was born good. If they turned out bad, it was due to circumstances.

    Now, I honestly do not think Ps are humans because they lack three essential things that make humans human – guilt, remorse, and compassion. So they are shells masquerading as human beings. I think prison is too good for them. Why should they get to live at our expense?

    Since we put down rabid dogs because they are a danger to society, I am all for the death penalty for confirmed Ps. I never thought I’d say that.

    Of course, we can’t “put down” Ps or we could end up with death camps like in Nazi Germany.

    Louise, he didn’t just ask my SIL if she ever reached orgasm with her first husband, he also wanted details of how she did that. My SIL was furious with my brother as well for letting the minister ask the questions. My understanding is he just sat there, which is about par with what he did when he found out what my S mother and P sister did to me and my son. I don’t think my brother is a fence-sitter; I think he’s damaged.

    My brother and SIL got married late 1972 so their session pre-dates any of the clergy sexual abuse scandals. Back then, people didn’t question ministers. Neither one of them were regular church goers. They just wanted to get married by a minister. In other words, they had no idea what a minister should or shouldn’t be asking.

    BBE, I did try searching the Internet about ten years ago to see if there were other victims. I haven’t looked since. I can do that now, but I doubt I’ll find anything. “Good” Lutherans would have forgiven the minister.



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    • staysafe says:

      I believe you. He often appeared uninvited/unannounced at our home when I was growing up, and my mother thought he was interested in her. I now know it was me he was watching. When I was about 14 or 15, just returning from a weekend youth retreat with the youth, he walked up to me as I was getting out of the car with the others and French kissed me in the parking lot front of them. It was the most disturbing thing, and I know other youth saw him do this. It has bothered me for years, and I wondered whether he had done anything to anyone else. I found this when I was looking. I am so sorry for your trauma, and hope you are healing. Have you filed a police report? You should. My understanding is that there is no statute of limitations on such a crime.



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  5. G1S says:

    Below is all I found:

    June 13, 2009

    Lutheran synod honors three retired pastors

    The following three retired Lutheran pastors of Cape Cod were honored on the anniversaries of their ordination at the annual assembly of the New England Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, held May 28 to 30 in Sturbridge.

    •The Rev. Ernest E. Ryden of Osterville was ordained 50 years ago. While he was pastor of St. James Lutheran Church in Barrington, R.I. for 29 years, he also served as communications director for the Rhode Island Council of Churches. For more than 25 years, he produced and hosted more than 600 half-hour programs dealing with moral and religious issues for NBC affiliate, WJAR-TV. He is a member of First Lutheran Church in West Barnstable.



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  6. Truthspeak says:

    G1S, what a terrible weight you have carried on your shoulders and I feel horribly for you, I really do.

    You are a strong human being, now. Whatever happens with your job, I don’t believe that this is just going to go by the wayside with you. Perhaps, the Sandjaggovsky case triggered something like righteous indignation, I don’t know. But, there is “a way” to find other victims, and it wouldn’t be hard to do, I don’t think.

    Since there is no statute of limitations for this crime in your State, it may be worth considering filing charges when you are more secure with the employment issue – I completely understand your feelings about that issue, 100%. If, by chance, there were a way to file charges and arrange that your identity not be disclosed, it may be a consideration. But, I agree with you, for the time being.

    May I just ask this: was the Synod ever made aware of this minister’s actions, at any time? I understand that his crime against you went unreported – I understand, I really do. But, was there ever any silent nod by them, at any time? If so, the Church would be liable as much as the foul minister.

    Holy shitballs…….I just looked over the “honor” for this guy and see that he did broadcasts for NBC affiliate. I know someone who has freelanced for NBC for 30 years.

    Okay…..my wheels are turning, slowly but surely. I’m NOT going to “do anything,” but I’m doing some thinking, okay?

    HUGS to you



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  7. G1S says:

    Yes, I told the current pastor at the church who, in turn, took it to the Synod.

    As far as the Synod is concerned, I was one person without any proof.

    I told the Synod that I wasn’t looking for vengeance, but that they needed to know because I didn’t want him harming other children.

    I also spoke with a former bishop of the Synod. He told me, “If I had been in charge, I never would have put him in your church.” I’m not sure what that meant, but I think he knew something that I didn’t. This bishop believed me, but he was retired when I spoke with him and no longer employed by the Synod.

    I can’t see why NBC would be interested if there is no proof of any kind. For all they know, I am some lunatic ranting away.

    My state isn’t going to do anything. It did nothing when my P sister lied to the court about us, which she admitted in writing in the dismissal order. Family court permitted, no questions asked, to let a suicidal child be taken out of a children’s psychiatric hospital and handed over to the person who put him.

    DCYF had just done an investigation onme three weeks before because my S mother reported me as an unfit mother. They cleared me. Their report was two weeks old when my P sister went to court for an ex parte order.

    I have a friend who works for DCYF and is often in Family Court. She heard me share what was going on in my Al-Anon meetings. She came up to me after one and said she thinks our rights were violated. The judge was supposed to call DCYF before issuing an ex parte order to see what they knew. Not only did this judge fail to do that, but she order DCYF to an investigation. They refused. They stuck up for me.

    My P took a suicidal child across state lines with no investigation into where he was going or any protection being put in place for him. Nothing.

    I have records galore. I have investigation records from our DCYF office. Nobody is paying attention.

    My P sister conspired with my S mother and my son’s P father to take my son away from me. Four states were involved. I contacted the FBI. They told me to speak with an attorney; it sounded like a personal matter. What my sister did matches almost point for point with the parental kidnapping laws, except neither she nor my son’s P father had any legal right or say about my son. So, isn’t that kidnapping pure, plain, and simple? My state’s AG’s office blew me off.

    Multiple lawyers have reviewed my documents. They have told me that I have a case of malicious prosecution, for starters, but since my P sister isn’t a company with liability insurance, they are declining the case because they can’t be guaranteed a financial return. I’m saying that she has money, but how do they know that for sure? Besides, if she gets wind of this, she can hide her money and they won’t get a thing.

    They are stalking us. We went to court this past January to get restraining orders on them AGAIN, but we were denied because there was no actual threat of physical assault.

    I have TONS of documentation pertaining to that. It is NOT a she said/she said situation. There is objective, third-party, official information out the whazoo.

    Also, now my state wants to close handling my son’s health insurance which his P father was ordered in 2011 to provide. As of this past Thursday, the health insurance company is saying there is no coverage for my son. I went to President Obama about this. I have several letters from officials about my letter to President Obama and that they are handling it.

    Know those cardboard boxes that look like a drawer from a filing cabinet? I have two of those filled – one for my P sister and one for my son’s P father – with legal documents, correspondence between attorneys and child support enforcement agencies, newspaper articles etc.

    My son’s P father is committing Medicare fraud to get out of paying child support and providing health insurance for my son. He has had multiple articles about him published in the New York Times and other newspapers, complete with color photos, about the lifestyle he leads.

    If your freelance buddy is interested in that, I’d be happy to show him what I have. Maybe you can convince him to do a story about Ps, what they do to people’s lives, and how they get away with kidnapping in this country. Ps are raping our society.

    You can also tell him that my sister worked for an international company that everybody knows and held a very high position in it when she did it. In terms of name recognition, this story has it in spades.

    And everything ties back to the minister because I went to him to for help to ask him to make my mother stop hitting me. He raped me instead. I needed help to stop one P and encountered another.



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